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[AWeb, a non-MUI HTML browser, has caused quite a stir even though it has
not officially been released yet. A couple of months back, the author held
an independently scheduled IRC conference to discuss the program. -Jason]
Formatted Log of Conference on #AWebBrowser on the 21st January 1996
<< Formatted by Stone-D of #Amiga EFNET >>
<< Original Log from Steiner of #Amiga EFNET >>
<< Further formatted by Katherine Nelson of Amiga Report >>
<-- Begin Log -->
rozijn: Yvon Rozijn, author of AWeb.
<< #AWebBrowser >>
lammy :where can we get e demo of aweb ?
rozijn :lammy: in feb or march the real version from aminet
DrWho :rozijn: multiple sockets in the plans somewhere
rozijn :lammy: I have several betatesters already
LowLigh :Thanks Dr_P: I was wondering what GFX cards will be supported
for Aweb. I have an Opalvision and its does not support WB
rozijn :LowLight: no GFX cards yet. Only OS compatible
DR_pHuQt :rozijn: will aweb work with cybergfx?
rozijn :DR_pHuQt:: if it supports OS functions
DR_pHuQt :rozijn: Fionn just told me that it seems to like cybergfx already...
ChrisDi :rozijn: Whats about multi-Port connect to a WWW-Site to get
rozijn :ChrisDi: On my list.
Mutaboul :Rozijn: If Aweb will get Asynchronous operation in the future
(Ouff.. I really ask FUTURE question!)
rozijn :Mutaboul: in the future, yes.
SoldierX :what's your opinion on AmiTCP... is it too hard to setup for
people who are new to comms... do you think it will ultimatly destroy the
internet viability of the amiga ?
rozijn :SoldierX: a simpler installer tool would be very nice, but
with some decent explanation most beginners can install amitcp well
Tau :rozijn, I can port AWeb to Inet225. Will you accept help?
yrozijn :Tau: if there is enough demand for a Inet225 version
Tau :yrozijn, I demand it ;)
yrozijn :Tau: ok, maybe you can help me :-)
ChrisDi :Will there be an intelligent Cachesystem for AWEb?
yrozijn :ChrisDi: again, in the future. It's on my list
lammy :I heard AT plans to pu Inet into there Internet paket, so it
would be importent to support INET
yrozijn :lammy: If that is true, then it is important, yes.
Tau :yrozijn, I recommend lauching a mail reader in "send mode" for
mailto: "Voodoo MAIL TO <address> SUBJECT <url>" would work nicely.
DR_pHuQt :tau: i bet you do :)
Tau :dr, heheh. ;)
DR_pHuQt :tau: a damned fine mailer, from what little I have seen, btw
Tau :rozijn, any time you feel like sending the HTTP module source
here, feel free ;)
yrozijn :Tau: ok, the amitcp part is about 50lines
lammy :when will other protocolls than http: and file be supportet ?
yrozijn :lammy: I try to get ftp: and gopher: working in the first vsn
lammy :and what about mailto: ?
yrozijn :lammy: not in this version
Tau :yr, why not use external handlers? For example, there is a
HTTP: dos handler already.
yrozijn :Tau: I don't know of it. Where can I find it?
Tau :I don't think it is released. I don't know if the author wants
everyone asking him about it, but I'll ask him to contact your, yr
JamesBart :Why does AWeb have incompatabilities with Magicmenu?
yrozijn :JamesBart: it did in version 0.2 fixed in later versions
PhalanxJr :yrozijn: it is very simple to make a programautosense which
stack is in place, look at AmIRC, AmFTP, and Voyager for example of this
yrozijn :PhalanxJr: any source code available?
Tau :yr, I can easily make the TCP/IP code autosense the stack. No
yrozijn :Tau: for *serious* questions, suggestions, only:
Tau :I'm dead serious about all of this. I want a decent IW225
web browser, and I'm ready to work for it
yrozijn :Tau: ok, I'll send you the source part
qnzqn :yroz: will aweb need an external proggie to play sounds like
amisox, or will it use datatypes, or will there be some kind of built in
yrozijn :qn: external player, mayby datatypes in future
moster :yr: How come did you decide to write a webbrowser?
yrozijn :moster: I wasn't happy with amosaic/mui and the ever delayed
Scuba :I think loadable modules for VRLM, Java etc. would be great,
especially for 3rd party developers.
yrozijn :scuba: I think so too. Maybe in some future version I'll add
support for 3rd party modules
Arma :yrozijn: do you have any plans to make it a commercial
yrozijn :arma: first release freeware, later releases shareware.
Arma :yrozijn: roughly how much will the shareware fee be please ?
yrozijn :Arma: I don't know yet
ThrustMe :yrozijn: Is there any chance of internal PNG support (same
reason as for GIFs)?
yrozijn :thrustme: what is PNG?
DR_pHuQt :yroz: png is a royalty free compressed picture format, similar
Tau :Portable Network Graphics
Tau :1-48 bit, 8 bit alpha channel, better interlacing, better
compression, public domain
ThrustMe :yrozijn: An image format with better compression than GIF + 24
bit + better interlacing
ThrustMe :yrozijn: and no copyright/patent problems
yrozijn :If there is a datatype for PNG, it's easy.
Tau :there is a datatype for PNG, but you lose the interlacing/show
DR_pHuQt :there is a png datatype
Tau :dr, the fact that it is a datatype means that it isn't possible.
all of the data must be available before a datatype can start doing its work
DR_pHuQt :tau: so write a better one :-)
Tau :dr, maybe you misunderstood me. Because it is a datatype, it
can not do show while loading. Datatypes don't do it.
DR_pHuQt :tau: ah- it can only do full decodes, and not streams?
Tau :dr, right
ThrustMe :yrozijn: I just wanted to see it while loading
yrozijn :thrustme: I don't want to rewrite gif, jpeg, png datatypes
Arma :yrozijn: the speed is very good but do u have any more plans
or ideas to make it any faster ?
yrozijn :arma: parallel image loading, multiple windows
Riffer :Does AWeb support DataTypes?
yrozijn :riffer: yes
Tau :riffer, makes you wonder why we would be talking about
datatypes otherwise, doesn't it?
DR_pHuQt :yroz: do you plan to support progressive jpeg?
yrozijn :dr: what's that
DR_pHuQt :yroz: netscape, and a few others show you a progressively
inproving picture, as it downloads, it's a wierd kind of jpeg, in the v6
yrozijn :dr: not with datatypes
DR_pHuQt :yroz: as tau pointed out, it can't work with datatypes.. you
have to decode the stream yourself.. but I think src is easily
available... it would have to be threaded, I suppose
yrozijn :I leave the channel now, I'll be back later
yrozijn :Tau: we speak later
< yrozijn PARTS the channel >
<< End of Log as given to Stone-D >>
[ The following were some answers to private questions: ]
rozijn :Teletran: it uses datatypes
rozijn :DrWho: I hate mui, that's why I started AWeb
rozijn :steiner: because I want to spend my time on further developing,
not on bookkeeping sw fees and sending out keyfiles and because it's just
rozijn :DarkMagi: in feb or march
yrozijn :steiner: mailto/news not in the first version. It will be in a